Tuesday, May 31, 2011

Beck: Turning Tragedy to Triumph Published May 30, 2011 | Glenn Beck

Special Guests: Stephanie Nielson, Christian Nielson

This is a rush transcript from "Glenn Beck," May 30, 2011. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.


GLENN BECK, HOST: From New York, tonight, I want to bring you a story on this Memorial Day of real hope.

First of all, thank you to anybody who has fought for our country. Americans, I hope, are this weekend deciding who they are, and what it is important and realizing that it is in their future to not necessarily pick up a gun and fight for their nation, but to fight with everything in them, for what they believe and what is important, and our way of life.

Every night I come to you and I tell you -- I mean, really, how many in the audience are spooked by half the crap that I say on the air? I mean, yes? Look, look.


BECK: All right. Clowns, put your hands down.

I talk about some pretty spooky things on the air. And one of the things I hear all the time from you, at least I feel all the time and I hear when I go out is, "OK, Glenn, we get it. Now what?"

"Now what" comes when your life is in order enough to be to withstand what's coming. What I've tried to do on this program is not only to inform you of what's coming but also try to do something that I don't think has ever been done on commercial television before, at least not successfully -- and that is talk to you about ways to find hope.

Your life, like it or not, my life, all of our lives, they're about to dramatically change. But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Life is what we make of it.

My father used to say, and I think everybody's father used to say this, it's not whether you win or lose -- it's how you play the game. So, how is it that you play the game? How is it you get through a game inning after inning where it feels like you are getting hit in the face?

I think it boils down to who you are before the event happens, what seeds do you have inside.

When I first told you the story on this program of a couple that I'm going to introduce you to, it was -- I think it was last week. And I told you this story and it was on a day that there were two stories in the news.

One, a friend of mine had seen on ABC's "20/20" about a family who had gone through a real tragedy. And the woman was burned to the point to where her children didn't recognize her.

The other story was about a woman in Iran that had acid thrown on her. And she was horribly disfigured. She was in the news because she was angry that the government wouldn't let her, as she felt was due, burn him back.

One was filled with anger and darkness and rage. And the other had found hope and faith and God and beauty and love.

Stephanie and Christian Nielson. Stephanie is 29 years old. This is somebody who has gone through the worst fire of life and survived, literally. We all have fires in our life. This one was literal.

I contend this couple and this family is not just surviving, but they are thriving. They will tell you the story, but I want you to know, it's not -- it's not the crash or the burns that this program wants to concentrate on.

It is my sincere hope that you get out of this program the answers to this question -- how are they doing it? How did they survive? Who were they before? Who are they today? How can I do it?

Stephanie Nielson, plane crash survivor and the author of the blog, The Nie Nie Dialogues, which is read by millions of people. I cannot tell you how many friends of mine have said, "Oh, my gosh, you are having Stephanie on?" It's a big deal.

Joined by her husband Christian Nielson, who also survived the plane crash. And their children are here. Claire is here, she is 9. James is 8. Ollie is 6. Nicholas is 4.

Welcome, guys. How are you?


BECK: For somebody who doesn't know the story, what wants to tell it?


BECK: How it happened? What happened?

C. NIELSON: Well, we -- Stephanie and I, we were -- the day of our accident, we were going to, we have a family ranch in New Mexico. We lived in Arizona at the time. We were flying to -- I had recently become a pilot. And Stephanie and I and a friend of mine who was my flight instructor, the four of us had planned, long planned this trip to the ranch and then back home.

And we had experienced a beautiful day together, beautiful flying conditions. On the way home, we made a scheduled stop in a town, our last stop of the day before we arrived home, back to our children. And that's when we -- that's when the accident occurred after taking off from that stop.

BECK: Pilot error? Mechanical error? Do you know? Does it matter?

C. NIELSON: There is a pending --

BECK: Lawsuit.

C. NIELSON: And investigation. Yes.

BECK: OK. So now, the plane is down on the ground. What happens?

C. NIELSON: Well, we had fuel on board, and at the time of the crash, there was a lot of -- you know, not sure exactly how the fire started. But the three of us when we crashed, we -- each of us woke up and came to at different times. I think I was the first to regain consciousness after impact.

When I opened my eyes, there was just fire everywhere. The flames and the fire had matured. So I don't know how long it had been since we impacted the ground. But the flames were quite mature. At that point, it was just --

BECK: Get out.

C. NIELSON: We need to get out.

BECK: The pilot didn't get out?

C. NIELSON: When we all got out on our own strength in different phases. I got out first, out my door. And told Stephanie to follow me, she exited behind me. And then my friend who was in the pilot seat, he got out last.

BECK: Stephanie, you don't remember him saying, "Get out"?

S. NIELSON: No, I don't remember him telling me to follow him and get out. It felt like really I was drowning with fire, which is a terrible feeling.

I just, I wasn't -- I didn't like think well, where is he? Where did he go? Why didn't he help me out or anything? I was just -- I just remember that people were there. You know, that were helping me. That helped me get out of airplane. And I felt that it was a miracle how it happened. And I don't think I could ever explain it in a way without people thinking I was kind of crazy. But I know what happened. And I --

BECK: You believe -- you believe you were helped beyond?

S. NIELSON: Yes. I was helped by people and friends and loved ones who told me.

BECK: Can you go into that a little bit? Do you mind going into that?

S. NIELSON: Oh, sure. Yes. I remember feeling like, OK, this is the end. This is what it feels like to die. And so, I thought, OK, I'll just -- it's going to hurt me. It's going to hurt really bad for maybe five for minutes and then I'll wake up and I'll be with my grandma or something, you know?

That's what I was thinking, because I couldn't get the seat belt off. I was really confused, probably had a concussion that I was -- you know, I was just very -- I had no idea what was really going on. And so -- but I felt like people that love me said to me that this isn't -- that this isn't the end. It's not over. And I still have a lot to do.

And so, they told me what to do and how to take my seat belt off and where to reach my hand and open the door and get out and that's what I did.

And I remembered my second grade teacher telling me to stop, drop and roll in my head. And so, that's what I did.

BECK: OK. So, you get out of the plane.

Now, you are in, you're in a -- you're in a coma for how long? Medical induced coma.

C. NIELSON: Yes. My first recollection after being woken up was about five or six weeks, they told me I had been asleep.

BECK: You were in a medical induced coma for how long?

S. NIELSON: Three months.

BECK: You wake up and Barack Obama is president.



S. NIELSON: That is honestly the first thought I thought. I woke up and there was a white board and they had written the date on the board.

It was like November 6. And I was like, who is our president? I don't know who it is. Who won?

BECK: OK. I got to make the joke. So, did you think you were in hell?


BECK: Sorry. Cheap joke. And I thought somebody had to make it. Come on, you were thinking it!

All right. So, all this time passes.


BECK: And now, your children, hadn't seen you. Tell me about that.

S. NIELSON: They were two-and-a-half years younger than they are now. So, Nicholas, the little one, was just about 18 months. And so, they hadn't seen me and may family is -- both of our families just sort of came and just picked them up and took over. My sister took care of the three oldest. And my other sister who didn't have children took the baby.

And they lived as if their parents might not make it. They lived for three months thinking maybe their mommy would never, never come back.

And so -- they're miraculous. They're amazing the way that they just -- they just thrive. They're OK. They're good kids.

So, yes, no, I haven't seen them. I knew something was wrong. And I didn't -- I knew something was wrong with me and I didn't want them to know. I didn't want them to see me.

BECK: So, they actually looked through a sheet for a while.

S. NIELSON: So, yes. My room had like a sheet. That kind of went --

C. NIELSON: There was a privacy curtain.

S. NIELSON: Yes, there was a privacy curtain. And we talked through that.

BECK: What was your thought when you first saw your wife?

C. NIELSON: You know, I was in a real low spot emotionally and physically when I woke up. And the first time I saw Stephanie, she was far worse than I even imagined. I mean, she was comatose, bandaged from head to toe. You know, just in a pile of medical equipment and bandages. And it could have been anyone under all of that stuff.

But she -- my first thought was when I could feel, I could feel her in that room when I went to see her. And we made a spiritual connection.

And I felt like -- I was just relieved that she was alive and I had seen her with my own eyes. And that she and I had every faith she was going to recover.

BECK: I want to tell you just in the studio here.

S. NIELSON: I'm so sorry.

BECK: No, you shouldn't be. I knew you were thinking that.

S. NIELSON: I can't concentrate.

BECK: I have children, too. Children are like --



BECK: And I'm sitting here and I'm listening and I know, I can see you looking over to them and I'm thinking as a parent right now, I'm thinking I'm going to kill you when I get home.

S. NIELSON: I know. I know. My hands are a little sweaty.

BECK: Don't be. Don't be. I have to tell you what? We're going to take a break. We're going to let the kids go to the play room.


BECK: So, you can concentrate. We all have kids. Back in just a second.




BECK: We're back with Stephanie Nielson. She's a plane crash survivor and author of blog, "The Nie Nie Dialogue," which is read by millions of people. Joined by her husband now, Christian Nielson, who also survived the plane crash.

We were talking about you seeing your wife for the first time in the hospital.

And what was it like for you? Were you afraid to see yourself?

S. NIELSON: Yes, out my own eyes I could -- I felt totally fine. But I knew the way that people were looking at me, I could tell that something, something wasn't right. And in the burn centers, they don't usually have mirrors around because they kind of want you to wait until you're ready to look at yourself. But I never got to that point.

And so, they were saying to me, "It's time to look at yourself. You need to see what your children are going to see." I just didn't want to do it.

BECK: You still see yourself the way because I still see -- I look sometimes in the mirror and I'm like whoa! You have gone down hill quickly. I still see myself younger. You kind of just -- you're always kind of 19 in your head. When your children saw you. And you?

C. NIELSON: Only -- my facial injuries were not as serious as Stephanie's, but I --

BECK: Did it help your children get prepared? Because you're burned on your legs, too, right?

C. NIELSON: Yes. And so, our, you know, legs and arms. So they saw my injuries so I think that did probably help them understand what they were going to see with their mom. Maybe, maybe not. But they -- I don't think that they -- we tried and tried, prepare as much as we could with the children.

But it was almost all in vain. There was no real effective way of helping them understand what that was going to be like.

BECK: I understand that you are a protector now, that when you are out in public, I heard you -- I heard you say that you have heard people in supermarket and children say things less than kind.


BECK: How do you deal with that?

S. NIELSON: Children are children. They're just being honest they're OK. It's the adults that I think I'm shocked that you would say something, you know, that hurtful.

BECK: What are you -- adults say?

S. NIELSON: Yes. Ladies at the grocery store will say oh, I feel as bad as you look. You know, things you're like oh, thanks so much. You know, just things like that are I think, didn't your mother teach you better than that?

And so, I feel -- so I think I'm using this in hopes that my children won't be as careless and rude to people. And so, in a way, it hurts, but what an opportunity to teach my own little children, you know, how to treat people, that we love people, we respect people, it doesn't matter what they look like. You know, we're all people. And --

BECK: Who are you guys -- because we met and I'm so sad to say that most of my meetings are at a very high velocity.


BECK: I know.

S. NIELSON: There was a huge long line waiting.

BECK: But we met in Arizona, right?

S. NIELSON: It was in Utah.

BECK: It was in Utah.

S. NIELSON: It was at the freedom fest.

C. NIELSON: Yes, you were hosting the freedom festival in Utah.

BECK: Oh, my gosh. And we met -- and what were you like as a couple before? What did you have that prepared you for this?

S. NIELSON: We were just the same, really. We were just the same.

Wouldn't you think?

BECK: Yes. And I think that -- the love that we have now is the same love we had then. And that is what helped prepare us for this tragedy. And I think that a lot of -- a lot of the people who are experts in the burn world, and healing arts, the doctor, the physicians and the nurses, a lot of them had experience that a lot of times marriages don't work out.

BECK: A lot of times -- I would imagine most times.

S. NIELSON: Most of the time.

BECK: And it has nothing to do with the scars, here or here, but the scars inside.

Be honest. You have to both be kicking yourself for getting on the plane. Whoever said let's go to the ranch this weekend. You wanted to be a pilot. I have didn't hear you say get out? You got out. Whatever the -- whatever the deception or the lie is that is running through your head, had to have played out -- had to have.

C. NIELSON: Well, I mean there were.

S. NIELSON: Sure I felt guilty for getting in the airplane because why did I do that? My children, you know, my children are -- they're going to be motherless. They're going to --

BECK: So, in pain and with everything, the stress of life -- come on. Come on, really? There is no time that you guys have -- I'm not saying for -- I'm just say you're being human. You never at some point you said either to each other or to God, why? None of it?

C. NIELSON: You know, it's an interesting thing. I think what you are getting at is, you know, condemning the situation and, you know --

BECK: Or even your own guilt. For something that you -- there is no guilt there.

C. NIELSON: We decided early on we wanted to be burn survivors, not burn victims. And, you know, it's a little bit, it's semantics but it's meaningful in how we deal with our problems. And we want to be -- we often corrected people about you know, calling us victims of our injuries.

But we survived our injuries. We are alive today. We're with our family. We spent a lot of time --

BECK: Can I tell you something? I don't think you are survivors. Because I often talk about surviving something, you know, what's coming, or whatever I'm spooking the audience with. And being made fun of by Jon Stewart. I always, I'm going to not survive, you're going to thrive. I think you guys are burn thrivers.

S. NIELSON: A good way to put it.

BECK: I think you have taken and done much more than survive.

S. NIELSON: I am now to the point and I think maybe I'm to this point now that I have forgotten all of whatever this madness and guilty that I've had. But I am grateful.

BECK: So, it's like childbirth? Because I think --

S. NIELSON: Yes, that's a good point.

BECK: Because I think God does some sort of wicked magic on, because women are, like, screaming, "I want to kill you." then the baby comes out and they're like, "We got to have another."

S. NIELSON: Let's do it again. It's totally true.

C. NIELSON: It sounds so familiar.

S. NIELSON: It's totally true.

BECK: We're the ones on earth that are here going, don't you remember?


S. NIELSON: I know, I know. YES, but I --

C. NIELSON: it's a good thing. Otherwise we don't have much.

S. NIELSON: But I'm grateful for it now, I'm -- I can honestly tell you. And my kids ask me all the time -- don't you want to just go back, just how it was before? I don't. I really don't.

I have been blessed beyond comprehension that anyone could ever have everything the whole world and they wouldn't have what I have, even though I deal with pain regularly. I just -- I am just so, you know, honored to have this, to be given this opportunity. I see it that way.

BECK: How do you see it? What an amazing thing your wife has just said.

C. NIELSON: I see it the same way. I remember thinking there was a point where all I can do is live in the moment and just talk about how this sucks and how our life has changed. And everything about our life changed.

But it was soon after when Stephanie woke up and we started talking about it and processing our feelings together. We got to the point where it was hard kind -- it was hard to wish it away because of the way our family had grown, the way that our family rallied around us as we healed, the influence of the blog. And people all over the world who are -- a lot of them are strangers, total strangers to us, who live in other countries, but read her blog.

We were on the receiving end of their prayers and faith in our behalf. And that experience alone to me seems worth it all. It's a remarkable experience.

S. NIELSON: It's an actual tangible feeling.

C. NIELSON: She -- Stephanie and I made the same observation when we came to be after being awoken from the coma, that we could actually feel people's prayers. And it was --

BECK: But do you remember George Bush use to say that after September 11? He used to say, "I can feel your prayers." I can tell you that's true. I can feel them, too. It's amazing, isn't it? It's really amazing how you can feel it.

And you know when he is attending. I don't know if he is ever, sometimes he's done it twice to me here recently where after 8.28, after I did the "Restoring Honor" event, he kind of left me gofer, like on a vacation or something. I was just thinking about that today. I actually -

- I missed him a great deal, you know? You can develop a nice relationship and you are used to having that. And you're used to feeling the prayers of others that just help you so much. It's an amazing feeling.

I want to talk a little bit about the role God played in your life.

And then any tips on, you know, how to survive. You know, I kind of feel guilty about whining about anything at this point. And the audience has questions, too. We'll do that, next.



BECK: We are -- we're with the Neilson family. They are plane crash thrivers. They are people that I think haven't survived, but are doing more than that, and they are teaching others how to -- how to survive.

On this -- on this program, we talked about some spooky things and people's lives are about to change. Your lives have dramatically changed.

Is anything really the same anymore really?

C. NIELSON: Superficially, no.

S. NIELSON: Yes, yes.

C. NIELSON: But --

BECK: And not something that you would've on the other side picked.

You wouldn't have said, you know what, I'm going to have a can of that, right?


BECK: And I think that's the way a lot of Americans -- that's why they don't want to look at what's possibly ahead because they don't want a can of that. And they're going to get served a can of that whether they like or not -- some will.

So now I wanted you guys on because I wanted to know what got you through. I think I know the answer, but I watched the 20/20 and I -- I didn't see God in that story.

S. NIELSON: No, and he didn't really show up in that story, but he --

BECK: Was he mentioned in the videotaping?

S. NIELSON: He was a huge part. He was a humongous -- He was the part. He played the role in this story.

BECK: But no God was hurt in the filming of that story?

S. NIELSON: No, definitely not.

BECK: OK. Good. So is that the reason you made it through?


C. NIELSON: Yes, without question.

S. NIELSON: 100 percent.

BECK: OK. Members of your faith -- strong members of your faith -- we are both members. The three of us are the same members of the same faith. Were you strong members before?



BECK: Did any of this challenge your faith at any point?


S. NIELSON: Not even a little bit.

BECK: And what role did it play?

C. NIELSON: It was -- it was central to everything that we did. You know, for the first five weeks of the accident, I mean, before I woke up, it was just Stephanie's parents, my parents, and our siblings and some -- and close friends and people who were reading the blog. But the people that came to the hospital and visited us and interacted with the doctors and the bleak reports they were giving about how things were -- our outlook, our family had great faith in God, a supreme being who was overseeing this healing, and they expected a great miracle and they got it.

And they had been exercising great faith and great prayer in our behalf for weeks. And when I woke up I realized at what point they were at spiritually and it gave me a lot of hope and realized that they were in a good place spiritually and how they were looking at our accident.

And I -- I was got on board with that and I wanted the same miracle.

I want Stephanie to come out and make it through and have our life and health restored. And you know, the doctors always said, they said, you know -- as far as Stephanie, said, you know, if she makes it, she probably will never walk again. If she makes it, she won't a nose or fingers or toes or, you know, legs. If she makes it and it was always predicated on if she makes it. But we -- we had great hope in a miracle and she's a bonafide miracle that we see today.

BECK: What was the God part that you wanted people to hear?

S. NIELSON: We all have problems. We all do. Every single one of us. Not one of us can go through this moral life without trials. And it was when I woke up from my coma that I realized I was one of those people that actually needed to rely on God to help me get through this. I've had minor little problems where you say your prayers and then you get answers.

This was something much bigger than just a simple little prayer can fix this. This was -- this was relying on and giving everything up to him, leaving everything up to him.

And it was hard to do that. But once I did that -- once -- I remember just being alone in my hospital room and just praying out loud just over and over again making deals like, if I can live, I will share the gospel with every single person that I know. And I'm trying to live up to that because I believe that was part of the deal and I'm doing it -- I'm trying to do it. And so, he was -- he was everything. He was the one that would be with me at nighttime when it was so awful and scary, and I missed my children and family. And he was there with me, and he never left my side, never, not once.

And so to tell my story would be wrong if he wasn't a part of it because he is the story. He's the one that made it triumphant and glorious and so -- I was just -- I felt a little bit saddened that he wasn't mentioned in the 20/20 piece because that is -- that is the story.

BECK: Have you ever read the "Survivors' Club?"


BECK: "Survivors' Club" is a book written by another guy who I think heads ABC News. Does he not, Joe? Yes, he heads ABC News. He's a friend of mine. He's a good man. And he wanted to find out, as a journalist, what do all these survivors have in common? People in plane crashes, mountain climbing, you know, boat wrecks -- whatever happened to them. How do they survive?

The number one thing they had in common, God.

S. NIELSON: God, of course.

BECK: God. That's what gets them through. Back in just a second.


BECK: We have two amazing people. We have plane crash survivors Stephanie Nielson and her husband, Christian. And I think I want to start with -- is it Tina? Tina. Hi, Tina. Go ahead.

TINA: Thank you, Glenn. Hi, Stephanie. My question was regarding

the relationship with your dad. When I read about your story, I was so moved by his courage to tell you that you're a mother -- that's what you've always wanted to be -- and to just do it.

Have you always had that connection with your father?

S. NIELSON: Yes, I have. And I'm actually the eighth of nine in my family. So my dad, you know, he's got a special connection with all of us.

But I'm his namesake and so I feel like we sort of have maybe something there that not everyone has. But I remember -- you know, after the accident, everyone was really nice to me. They were really sympathetic and really kind and you do whatever you want to do. And you can -- you know, whatever you want, we'll give it to you. And I think it was one day that I was just complaining a lot to my father because he and I sort of always -- you know, he'd make me walk laps with him to get exercise and kind of my therapy done with him. But he said to me one day, he said, Stephanie, what do you want? What do you want to do? You've got this family, you've got these beautiful children, you've always wanted to be a mother, you know, just do it. Just choose to do it. You can choose.

And I think at first I was a little like, you're supposed to be nice to me. I just got in a plane crash. But it was true. You know, you can't mope around. And so, after that I realized this is what I want to do. I was born to be a mother. I love it. It's what I'm good at.

TINA: Purpose.

S. NIELSON: I know my purpose.

BECK: They told you that you may not walk or they told you that she may not walk or having hands. You have hands. They also said that you weren't going to have any more children.

S. NIELSON: Right.

BECK: But now that's changed.

S. NIELSON: Wrong again. Yes.

BECK: And this is a double blessing, is it not? Can you explain?

S. NIELSON: It's -- you can only give -- you can only give skin to yourself really. You can -- they can put --

C. NIELSON: Skin grafts.

S. NIELSON: Skin grafts. They can put -- you know, pig skin or cadaver skin as just sort of like the base or the first -- temporary and then you can only give skin to yourself. Being burnt 80 percent, there's really not a lot that you can give yourself. And so, for my neck they did this similar thing where they put kind of like -- it's kind of like breast implants in and then they blow it up. And each week I'd go in for another treatment and my back would get bigger and bigger and bigger. And then they took that big skin and made a neck out of it.

And so, they actually want me to get pregnant so that they can use that skin for other parts of my body which is really exciting because I want a baby more than anything and I -- you know.

BECK: What an amazing story. All right. Let's go to Joe.

JOE: Thanks, Glenn. Thanks for sharing this story. It's amazing and your outlook. Obviously, your faith got you guys through, made you thrivers, but I guess other people who may not have that -- how do they react and how long does that process take for them to get back to normal?

Or has that changed for good? Other people's reaction and your interactions with other people in your daily lives, your jobs, your neighbors?

S. NIELSON: Go ahead.

C. NIELSON: Well, I guess -- you're talking about people who don't have that faith --

BECK: No, they're talking -- I think -- Joe, you're talking about people around you -- have you had friends and family that have been shook by this and you can't get them --

JOE: Yes, because it kind of changes -- it changes you -- that you're going through it. They don't know how you're going through it. They're looking --

BECK: I lost every friend I had when I went -- went through my alcoholism -- lost everything. I can count the friends that I have now that I had then on one hand. Same question here. How -- how have your friends reacted?

C. NIELSON: You know, our friends -- Stephanie and I have talked about this. We have the best friends. We don't have a lot of friends, but the ones we have are good, stellar friends.

BECK: Come on. Throw somebody under the bus.

C. NIELSON: I really mean that.

S. NIELSON: We really only have like two friends. It's not a big deal.

C. NIELSON: But they were -- they were -- you know, they were instrumental in our healing as well and they -- you know, they -- two of our friends, they were the godparents of our children. And in the interim while our family was trying to figure out what to do with our situation with our children, our house and stuff, they stepped in, played the role as godparents and took the kids for overnight or a couple of days while Stephanie's family and my family worked out some things.

But you know, our -- so we have good friends in that regard. But plus, you know, our friends -- the few friends we have -- we share the bond of our faith as well. We share a common belief in God and having that foundation as part of our mutual friendship made enduring and thriving in our accident possible.

BECK: With that faith, is there anything that you believe that you cannot conquer?

C. NIELSON: I don't think there is anything.


C. NIELSON: I think with God all things are possible.

S. NIELSON: Of course.

BECK: Back in just a second.


BECK: We are -- we are back with Stephanie Nielson and Christian Nielson. We have final remaining minutes and I wanted -- I'm sorry, I can't remember your name again. You're from Portland, Oregon. What is your name again?

DAPHNE: Daphne.

BECK: Daphne. Yes. Your question?

DAPHNE: How did you change from a negative mindset to a positive one?

S. NIELSON: It didn't happen really fast. It took me a while. But being positive to me means looking at what I have already that's wonderful and I still have wonderful things. I had -- I still had four beautiful children and a handsome husband. And I still had my faith and my relationships. And so I would -- I just remember thinking about those things and pretty soon they outnumbered all of the awful things that I was going through.

And so it was just spin around and I could do that all day long. And I wanted to do that all day long because I was pretty bummed a lot. And -- but I just never let go of the -- of the feeling that God's never left me and my children will never leave me and my husband loves me regardless of what I look like. And then, all of a sudden, it just seemed good, seemed OK.

BECK: You two are amazing. You really are.

S. NIELSON: Thanks.

BECK: A minute each, the last two minutes. Probably two, two and a half million people are watching. What -- I can't tell you how many people are struggling with something. Give them a message. What is the most important thing that you could say to somebody?

C. NIELSON: I would say that, you know, everybody has challenges in life. Everybody suffers as one point or another. And they -- a lot of people lace of their boots and put on a happy face knowing that things are just as bad as the day before and the day before that. And for some people, they not feel like there's much hope in their life. But that's not true. There is hope no matter how low you get and how bad you think your life it. If you have hope in your future and trust that God is more powerful than you are, then things will turn out. And I believe that the level of trust that you put in him somehow equates to the outcome of how much hope you will have.

BECK: Stephanie?

S. NIELSON: I -- similar to what Christian said. I believe and I know -- I know that there is a God and he loves me and he loves my children and he wants my happiness. And he wants everybody's happiness, not just mine, not just the people who are good, everybody.

And he will accomplish that and -- so if I can help people do that, then I'm -- I'm here. I'm more than willing to do that. I believe that I'm a blessed person. And so I want to share that with everybody. And so, I would say that to them.

BECK: Back in a minute.


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From New York, good night, America.

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Chuck Norris Saluting Our Stellar Examples

Chuck Norris

Chuck Norris

Saluting Our Stellar Examples

According to The Associated Press, Todd Weaver's idea of a romantic gift was not jewelry, roses or mushy cards. He preferred unique fancy gifts, for example, the time he celebrated the 21st birthday of his wife, Emma, by taking her skydiving.

The AP went on to say that Todd and Emma met in high school in Virginia. He was a popular baseball and football star. Right before leaving for a tour of duty in Iraq via his service in the National Guard, he ran outside in the rain in his socks to give Emma a kiss goodbye.

After Todd returned from his tour, the couple were inseparable. Todd joined the ROTC while attending the College of William & Mary. He graduated Phi Beta Kappa in 2008. Todd and Emma married and had a beautiful daughter, Kiley, who was only 9 months old when her father left for his second deployment to Afghanistan.

On Sept. 9, 2010, U.S. Army 1st Lt. Todd W. Weaver, 26, who was assigned to 1st Battalion, 320th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division, Fort Campbell, Ky., died serving his country in Afghanistan when insurgents attacked his unit with an improvised explosive device. Weaver was awarded the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart.

WTKR in Williamsburg, Va., reported that since Todd was killed in action last September, his widow, Emma, and his parents, Don and Jeanne Weaver, have been seeking to preserve his memory and sacrifice by raising money for a memorial scholarship in his name at William & Mary, an award that will fund a study abroad trip for a student every year. So far, they have raised $40,000 of the $50,000 needed to endow the scholarship.

It chaps my hide when people today belittle our military or say America doesn't have young people who display the brazen courage of men of old when our service members continue willfully to place themselves in harm's way and defend freedom to the point of death.

Last year, my wife, Gena, and I visited West Point, where the thousands of young cadets blew us away with how ready and eager they were to serve their country. And who can overlook the guts and nerve of our Navy SEALs as they took down Osama bin Laden? Beyond all these are the hundreds of thousands of patriots since America's founding like Todd Weaver, who literally have given up their very lives for their country and our freedom.

Each Memorial Day, we honor and commemorate all of our fallen warriors. The day holds a special meaning for all of us, and for the families of the fallen, it provides a profoundly proud yet painful remembrance.

My father fought and was wounded in World War II in the Battle of the Bulge. I served in the U.S. Air Force in Korea. I am also an honorary Marine. My brother Aaron served in the U.S. Army in Korea. And our brother, Wieland, served in the U.S. Army, as well, in Vietnam, where he paid the ultimate price on June 3, 1970. (His name is etched among the 58,000 fallen service members on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington.) Wieland was posthumously awarded the Bronze Star with "V" device (first oak leaf cluster) for his heroism Aug. 27, 1970.

The official correspondence about the award from Adjutant General Thomas E. Minix details Wieland's heroism in this way: "For heroism in ground combat against a hostile force in the Republic of Vietnam on 3 June 1970. Private Norris distinguished himself while serving as assistant machine gunner in Company A, 2d Battalion (Airmobile), 506th Infantry, during combat operations near Fire Support Base Ripcord, Republic of Vietnam. When his platoon made contact with an enemy reconnaissance team, Private Norris volunteered to walk in the lead position to inspect the area after the enemy was engaged by aerial rocket artillery. Approaching the top of a hill, he noticed two hostile soldiers waiting in ambush. Private Norris immediately shouted a warning to his fellow soldiers, drawing the hostile fire to himself, mortally wounding him. His alertness prevented the insurgents from inflicting numerous casualties on his platoon. Private Norris' personal bravery and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army."

On the day Wieland sacrificed his own life, I lost my best friend and brother, and the hearts of my mother and my other brother, Aaron, and my own were torn in two. That day, we unwillingly joined the ranks of those families of fallen warriors.

It has been 41 years since my brother left for his heavenly home, and we miss him and are as proud of him today as we were back then. This Memorial Day week (which concludes with the anniversary of his death), we again honor and commemorate his sacrifice and courage, along with all our other valiant patriots.

U.S. Army 1st Lt. Todd W. Weaver and my brother Pvt. Wieland Clyde Norris are just two stellar examples of hundreds of thousands of fallen warriors who are worthy of our thanks and honor. They all serve not only as our heroes but also as reminders that our liberties and republic are worth fighting for.

About such patriots, Gen. George S. Patton was right: "It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather, we should thank God that such men lived."

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Thomas Sowell Seductive Beliefs

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Thomas Sowell

Seductive Beliefs

One of the painfully revealing episodes in Barack Obama's book "Dreams From My Father" describes his early experience listening to a sermon by the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Among the things said in that sermon was that "white folks' greed runs a world in need." Obama was literally moved to tears by that sermon.

This sermon may have been like a revelation to Barack Obama but its explanation of economic and other differences was among the oldest-- and most factually discredited-- explanations of such difference among all sorts of peoples in all sorts of places. Yet it is an explanation that has long been politically seductive, in countries around the world.

What could be more emotionally satisfying than seeing others who have done better in the world as the villains responsible for your not having done as well? It is the ideal political explanation, from the standpoint of mass appeal, whether or not it makes any sense otherwise.

That has been the politically preferred explanation for economic differences between the Malay majority and the more prosperous Chinese minority in Malaysia, or between the Gentile majority and the Jewish minority in various countries in Europe between the two World Wars.

At various other times and places, it has been the preferred explanation for the economic differences between the Sinhalese and the Tamil minority in Sri Lanka, the Africans and the Lebanese in Sierra Leone, the Czechs and the Germans in Bohemia and numerous other groups in countries around the world.

The idea that the rich have gotten rich by making the poor poor has been an ideological theme that has played well in Third World countries, to explain why they lag so far behind the West.

None of this was original with Jeremiah Wright. All he added was his own colorful gutter style of expressing it, which so captivated the man who is now President of the United States.

There is obviously something there with very deep emotional appeal. Moreover, because nothing is easier to find than sins among human beings, there will never be a lack of evil deeds to make that explanation seem plausible.

Because the Western culture has been ascendant in the world in recent centuries, the image of rich white people and poor non-white people has made a deep impression, whether in theories of racial superiority-- which were big among "progressives" in the early 20th century-- or in theories of exploitation among "progressives" later on.

In a wider view of history, however, it becomes clear that, for centuries before the European ascendancy, Europe lagged far behind China in many achievements. Since neither of them changed much genetically between those times and the later rise of Europe, it is hard to reconcile this role reversal with racial theories.

More important, the Chinese were not to blame for Europe's problems-- which would not be solved until the Europeans themselves finally got their own act together, instead of blaming others. If they had listened to people like Jeremiah Wright, Europe might still be in the Dark Ages.

It is hard to reconcile "exploitation" theories with the facts. While there have been conquered peoples made poorer by their conquerors, especially by Spanish conquerors in the Western Hemisphere, in general most poor countries were poor for reasons that existed before the conquerors arrived. Some Third World countries are poorer today than they were when they were ruled by Western countries, generations ago.

False theories are not just an intellectual problem to be discussed around a seminar table in some ivy-covered building. When millions of people believe those theories, including people in high places, with the fate of nations in their hands, that is a serious and potentially disastrous fact of life.

Despite a carefully choreographed image of affability and cool, Barack Obama's decisions and appointments as President betray an alienation from the values and the people of this country that are too disturbing to be answered by showing his birth certificate.

Too many of his appointees exhibit a similar alienation, including Attorney General Eric Holder, under whom the Dept. of Justice could more accurately be described as the Dept. of Payback.

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Beck: Founders' Fridays Crash Course Published May 27, 2011 | Glenn Beck | Glen

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GLENN BECK, HOST: Hello, America. Welcome to a special edition of "The Glenn Beck Program."

America's history is being distorted, and our kids aren't being taught the truth. This is just one of the things that we learned on this program and one of the things this show has tried to do from the beginning is set the record straight.

Where else on TV would you hear that some women in the 1700s were actually allowed to vote? Did you know that? Or that African-Americans were judges, politicians, preachers at white churches. They were patriots in the revolution. Did you know that?

Tonight, you're going to get a crash course on our Founding Fathers. Historian David Barton of WallBuilders will be joining us throughout the hour. He's got some stuff today that I can guarantee that most have never learned in school. But, first, here's the reaction we got to "Founders Fridays."


DAVID BARTON, HISTORIAN: I was really thrilled to see how popular the shows became. I mean, the feedback was just phenomenal. Part of what people responded is: I've never heard this before.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm just now finding out about these things.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is my first time ever hearing this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why didn't I learn any of this?

BARTON: I think there's a couple of reasons for that. The way we have taught it for 60 years is called deconstructionism. And deconstructionism is an attempt to destroy or deconstruct what's going on.

And within that framework, what you do is you always teach the negatives and not the positives because that's what they've been taught in school, that there's a wart on the nose of American history that they've heard it. If it was the witch trials, if it was the treatment of Indians, the slavery, they heard it. They didn't hear the good stuff but heard lots of the negative stuff.

And the two "Founders Fridays" that I heard the most about were the black founders, part I and part II, and then the women founders. I mean, we have some concept of who Sam Adams is and Ben Franklin and the others. But it was like brand new territory on black founders and the women of the revolution.


BECK: On the women of the revolution show, we learned all about the role of our founding mothers -- a role they played right alongside our Founding Fathers. But what took many of our viewers by surprise was this.


BECK: Let me ask the audience, when did women get the right to vote? 1920? Yes, 1920. What would you say if I told you not true, women could vote in the 1700s? Would anybody believe me?

BARTON: In New Jersey, they wrote in the Constitution the right for women to vote. So, women started voting in New Jersey in 1776. And that was a right that the Founding Fathers put into the documents, and women had voted in colonial America before that as well. Pennsylvania back in the French and Indian war, et cetera, but they put it in the Constitution.

BECK: All right. But it wasn't -- in Pennsylvania, was it a constant?

BARTON: It was not a constant. Interestingly enough, the voting rights were tied a lot of times to ownership of property. If you owned property, you could vote. So, women could vote if they owned property. But a lot of times being married to husbands, property was in husband's name. If the husband died and the woman inherited the property, she could vote.

By 1809, most of the women were voting with the federalist. So, when the anti-federalists got power in New Jersey, they said, wipe out the women's vote. They're voting in the wrong political party. We're not going to be able to sustain ourselves.

So, that's really where the women's right to vote went away. It wasn't on grounds of equality or inequality. It was on grounds that they vote for the wrong party. Now that we got control, we're going to take the power away.


BECK: On that program, what took a lot of viewers by surprise was that some women actually served in the military during the American Revolution.


BECK: I have to ask you about this handsome lady.

BARTON: 1782, she wanted to do something for her country. She dressed like a man and went and enlisted.

Now, what's interesting is she's 22 years old at the time and other guys in the army, I always kid her about, you never shave. You're just a kid. Of course, she didn't shave. She's a lady.

She got wounded in a battle up at West Point and she treated the wound herself so no one would find out what her gender was.

BECK: Holy cow.

BARTON: She later, in Philadelphia, came up with a really high fever, almost unconscious and so the physician had to check her and at that time, find out what her gender was. So, when they found out her gender, they quietly moved her out of Army. But General Henry Knox is the one that gave her an honorable discharge out of the Army at West Point.

BECK: Wow.

BARTON: She ends up with a military pension because she served as a soldier. And if you were a soldier, you got the pension so pretty cool story.

BECK: Pritchard, she was commissioned by Washington.

BARTON: She was commissioned because she got the name -- Mary is her name. Molly is her nickname. In the Battle of Monmouth, 1778, June -- really, really, really hot day and if you're part of the artillery crew with all of that powder going off and the heat and everything. And so, guys were falling from exhaustion, she was running back and forth between the creek and the well carrying pitchers of water for them to keep rehydrating, and that's how she got the name Molly Pitcher.

Well, when her husband fainted from exhaustion, she stepped right in and became the rammer in that thing and kept the gun firing, and did so throughout the rest of the battle.

And at the end, when they found out what she had done, that she kept the gun alive. Because it takes several guys and a crew to keep the gun alive. You got to have the rammer and the cleaner, the one that puts the powder -- the guy who fires it and aims it. So, she kept that gun going throughout the battle, and at the end she was commissioned as a sergeant in the Continental Army.

Now, Washington, we think, it may have been General Nathaniel Green. But either way, it was a general that commissioned her. She served throughout the rest of the American Revolution. When she died, she was given a military funeral. She was buried with the honors of war in a military funeral at her death.

Great lady, served throughout the revolution.


BECK: Women were not the only unknown heroes of the revolution. By far, the "Founders Friday" specials that got the most reaction from our viewers were the two shows we did on our "Black Founding Fathers."


BARTON: In black history, it wasn't all just slavery. Oh, yes, it was there. But, look, we had black Founding Fathers elected office. We had a lot of black heroes who are heroes in the American Revolution, who were great military leaders.

BECK: I want to show you a painting of the Battle of Bunker Hill. Here's a Battle of Bunker Hill. Bunch of white guys, right? Unless you know where to look, right here.

That's Peter Salem. He was actually the hero of the battle. It doesn't look like he's a hero there. It looks like he's cowering behind the white guy with the sword. He was the hero of the battle! And he saved scores of American lives that day.

Why don't we know this?

Look at the picture of the battle of Lexington. One hundred and fifty Americans, there it is. Do you see any faces of color in this painting?

They were all members of the Reverend Jonas Clark's church. They went out. They were actually, if I'm not mistaken, David, they were in -- they were in church at the time, right?

BARTON: He called them together at church. Yes.

BECK: OK. So, called together at church and then said, let's go! And they went to defend their town. When the shot heard around the world was over that day, there were American, 18 Americans lying on the ground.

What you don't see in this painting are the equal number of whites and blacks, they were white and black patriots. It was a mixed church. Did you even know that happened?

One of those injured patriots on the ground in this painting was a black man named Prince Estabrook. I bet you never heard of Prince Estabrook before.

How about the painting of George Washington crossing the Delaware? Bunch of white guys, right? No.

Look here. African-American helping row the boat across. You know what his name was? Prince Whipple. He fought alongside Washington during the revolution.

Take a look at this one. This painting of -- this is the Marquis de La Fayette, he -- if you look at this. You think, oh, yes, and then he had

-- he made his slave dress up like, I don't know what. But that's what you would think, right?

This guy is incredibly important. This guy may have won the Revolutionary War. James Armistead was his name.

How did he win the Revolutionary War? Double spy. Basically, the Brits thought that he was spying for them but he was spying for General Washington. He'd give the Brits bad intel and reveal the good critical information to General Washington.

Did you know this story? Why?

I'm so tired of people saying, well, it was just the white people, white people, white people. No! No, why are we intentionally leaving others out?

When did America have its first African-American judge?

BARTON: 1768. Wentworth Cheswill, New Hampshire, elected to office in New Hampshire. He was re-elected for the next 49 years, held a different political position.

Really cool story about him is we all know that Paul Revere made his midnight ride. We know he wasn't the only guy riding that night. Another guy riding, Wentworth Cheswill -- black and white riding together.

BECK: How is it possible, did you know that we had an African-American ride to say, the British are coming, the British are coming? Amy did. Amy did. Anybody else besides Amy know that? Two, three. OK, three people in the audience.

That is --

BARTON: He was such a great guy. We never hear about him because he rode north and Paul Revere rode west and Revere was going after Reverend Jonas Clark's church because that's where Hancock and Adams were. That's where we had blacks and whites, as you pointed out, laying on the ground after that battle.

Wentworth Cheswill rode north telling people the British were coming. And it was from the north that all those people came to Boston to take on the British at Bunker Hill and everywhere else.

This guy right here, this is Lemuel Haynes. Lemuel Haynes is a soldier in American Revolution. He is a black preacher. He's the first black preacher ordained in America that was the pastor of a white congregation in Vermont, Massachusetts, and New York, several places.

BECK: A black professor in a white --

BARTON: Black preacher, that's right.

BECK: Yes, black minister.

BARTON: Black minister in a white church in four different states. He was ordained in the congregation nomination of 1785. He received -- he's the first black to receive a master's degree in America.

BECK: When we have the first speaker of the House?

BARTON: 1789.

BECK: 1789. When did we have our first black speaker of the House? I bet most people would say never.

BARTON: Never. Except it was right here. Joseph Hayne Rainey. Joseph Hayne Rainey of South Carolina, the first black to preside over the House of Representatives. These are the first seven blacks elected to the Congress.

You have here Senator Hirum Rhodes Revels, the first black U.S. senator elected. He was a minister of the gospel. He was a missionary. He worked with Frederick Douglass. He recruited three regiments of black soldiers in the Civil War and he was a missionary to slaves in the South.

You have here Benjamin Turner, Josiah Walls. This guy right here is really cool. Robert Brown Elliott is probably the most brilliant guy of that era. He actually took on the vice president of the Confederacy in a debate on the floor and just tore his head off.

BECK: What was the relationship of our founders with African- Americans? Depends on where you were. If you were in the South, it's a different relationship, right?

BARTON: It was.

BECK: But our Founders, the ones that really put everything together. They came from a world where we don't even understand it. We're just -- we're striving to get back to this place. Are we not?

BARTON: We are.

BECK: And I want to show -- now, these are -- these are just -- these are from old newspapers. This one is Caesar Glover. A colored man supposed to be about 80 years of age. This is an obituary.

He was brought from Africa as a slave when a child. He served in the Revolutionary War and is one of the pensioners of the United States.

OK, this one is at Providence at an advanced age, Bristol Rhodes (ph) a black man of the late Revolutionary Army in which he long served with deserved reputation. At the siege of Yorktown, he was severely wounded, having misfortune and unfortunately lost a leg and an arm and has since assisted on pension. Same story.

BARTON: Same story.

BECK: A colored man named Henry Hill died at Chillicothe not long since the age of 80 years. He served faithfully in the Revolutionary War and was participant in the battles of Lexington, Brandywine, Monmouth and Princeton and Yorktown. He was interned with honors of the war.

What does that mean?

BARTON: Not only a pension, but he got a full military funeral as any veteran would get. So, that's a military funeral with all the honors that go with being a veteran.

BECK: How many people here had any idea that our founders, the people at this time would -- would take an African-American and bury them with a full military rights and honors? Anybody here believe that before just now?

BARTON: This is good stuff. And again, it's not to say that slavery and the Jim Crow laws, et cetera, didn't happen. They did. But we got taught that in school.

What we didn't get taught was the positive side of that aspect of history. There were so many problems (ph). But it was a lot more we could have done. I mean, this could go forever. We didn't do anything but all the Jewish Founding Fathers.

Mordecai Sheftall was a Jewish patriot who led the forces across Georgia. Francis Salvador was the first Jewish patriot killed in the American Revolution and was ambushed by the British and the Indians and killed.

If you go to Chicago, to the business district, you will see a statue of three great folks in the American Revolution, George Washington, Robert Morris and Haym Solomon. And Robert Morris and Haym Solomon were the two financiers that gave Washington what he needed to fight the war financially, one a Jew and one a Christian. Washington holding the hands of both of them.

And another aspect you hear nothing about is the young people. I mean, the fact that you take a John Quincy Adams at 8 years old with his musket out going after the British, you look at Andrew Jackson. He was already a military prisoner of war at 11 years old, fighting in the revolution.

You take someone like James Ardell (ph). At 17 years old, he was the chief financial officer over North Carolina. So, there's just so much history we didn't get into that we could have gotten into on "Founders Fridays."


BECK: Faith, hope and charity. Why we matched Sam Adams, George Washington, and Benjamin Franklin up with those virtues, ahead.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As a home school mom, I used a lot of the material that Glenn presents on "Founders Friday." It's been a great way to have some good discussion on American history.

JIM GARRITY (ph), NEW JERSEY: I'm Jim Garrity from New Jersey and, Glenn, I love watching "Founders Fridays."




BARTON: We're currently fighting a war on terror. This lasted for a number of years. But most Americans have no clue that this was deja vu.

This is actually round two in the war on terror. We actually sent four military expeditions overseas to the same region where we're fighting now to fight Muslim terrorism back then.

We spent literally 32 years fighting Muslim terrorism, from 1784 in the Continental Congress, through the presidency of George Washington and John Adams and Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, up until 1816. For 32 years, we fought Muslim terrorism. As a matter of fact, George Washington, by 1795, the seventh year of his administration, 16 percent of the federal budget was dedicated to the war on terror.

The first three diplomats that were sent by America to negotiate with Muslim terrorists were John Adams and Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin. And you read their letters back to the State Department, and you'd think it's coming out of Afghanistan or Iraq today.


BECK: You're watching a special look back at "Founders Fridays."

You might remember, we kicked off the series with this man right here. Sam Adams. Faith. Sam Adams. Most people know him as the beer guy. But Sam Adams had faith in God, faith in our country, and faith that there would be freedom.


BECK: He was the delegate from Massachusetts. He had been involved in the cause of independence from the very beginning. He had by this time earned the title Father of the American Revolution, didn't make him popular with the British.

The British virtually destroyed his home. He had to leave his family for long periods of time. He was in continual danger of capture and death, always. But Adams had a faith in god and he had a faith in the cause of liberty and that's what was needed -- faith.

He spoke to his fellow congressmen. This is after we lost in Brandywine and things were looking bleak and Congress gets together and he stood in front of Congresses and he said, "Gentlemen, your spirits appear oppressed with the weight of public calamities." He then told them, "You don't show that to the American people."

He told Congress, quote, "Our affairs, it is said, are desperate. If this be our language, then they are indeed. If we wear long faces, long faces are going to become fashionable. The eyes of the people are upon us."

Sam Adams knew that if Congress openly showed their fear to the people, the cause of liberty would be over because people would follow and say it was like when George Washington wept. I don't think our leaders should be crying.

He also told them, now, imagine, these are the people that sign the Declaration of Independence. These are the brave, brave people. He says, "We have proclaimed to the world our determination to die freemen rather than slaves. We have appealed to heaven for the justice of our cause. And in heaven we have placed our trust."

How great is that? How many have that faith now where we can say, I trust you, I trust you, our cause is just"?

And, Ira, you are here because of your book. It changed my course. Ira Stoll wrote "Samuel Adams: A Life."

And I read this and I remember bringing it in and saying, my gosh, I bring it in to work every day and read it to people and I go, did you know this? And those are my paintings. There are copies of them. But that is the reason why Samuel Adams is faith is because of your book. It's amazing.

We also have David Barton here from WallBuilders.

And I want to just -- I want to spend some time just getting to know this guy a little bit.

First of all, did you know who you were going to find when you started doing research for your book?

IRA STOLL, "SAMUEL ADAMS: A LIFE" AUTHOR: Well, I had a vague idea he was one of the most steadfast of the Founding Fathers, but I really didn't know what motivated it. And you're right, it really was the faith. As I got into it, I saw that Samuel Adams really believed that God was on the side of the Americans. And that they were like the Israelites fleeing slavery in Egypt.

BECK: Yes. It was -- it was amazing, David. But he wasn't unique in that, was he? But he was probably the leader at the time? Or the most --

BARTON: He was probably the leader. The British actually called him the "puppet master," and they knew that he was behind things and that's why they wanted his body. I mean, that order you read was go find him, find Hancock and kill them. If we can get these guys killed, we're going to save this thing.

BECK: Now, he is a guy -- we're separation of church and state, where not the religious -- and that is the big lie here.


BECK: We are. They guys all defended religion.


BECK: They would go, because people would say, well, no, you're not going to be that religion.


BECK: But they said, no, no. You can be as religious as you want.

BARTON: That's right.

BECK: You don't go after another religion. It's not about one religion. We need to be religious people. But hero of the Massachusetts Constitution, he was involved in the Massachusetts Constitution.

BARTON: He was one of the foremost writers, he and his second cousin John Adams and Hancock were really the principal guys behind that. And John Adams is the one who wrote the foreword for all of this, but Sam had his fingers all over this.

SAMUEL ADAMS, FILMMAKER & MODEL: I am Samuel Adams was named off the boy prophet, and I'm related to him. And every day, I get told you're related to that beer guy. And it --


ADAMS: And it infuriates me like there's never really a good, quick answer. Like what's the defining thing that he did because nobody knows. People say he was the president which is -- people don't know the history at all in America. So what is it? What's the one thing I say to these people? What did he do?

BARTON: Couple of things, one, can I respond to the beer thing? He owned what was called a malt house and malt back then is not beer today.

And, by the way, that didn't do well. He didn't do well in any business he had.

But he had a malt house but according to Founding Father Benjamin Rush, who's called the Father of Temperance, he said, "Neither malt, nor wine nor beer could you get drunk on in the founding era." They had enough alcohol to kill the bugs in the water and that was it. So, it wasn't a beer that we consider today. That's a complete misnomer. They stuck his name on something that really was not his.

The thing you can say about him is there is no America of the United States without the leadership of Sam Adam. That's why they called him the Father of the American Revolution.


BECK: Next, this guy. Hope.


BARTON: You're watching the Glenn Beck special on "Founders Fridays." More to come in a moment.




BECK: You probably know the next founding father as my favorite. Most people will say George Washington was one of the best presidents, but they don't know why. George Washington was truth. To me, the only kind of hope that there is comes from truth. He was at the time known as the indispensable man.


BECK: When George Washington was around, things were a mess and he was the indispensable man because nobody trusted anybody. All the states were arguing with each other. Nobody -- you couldn't sell anything across the border. The whole thing was falling apart.

Here's George Washington -- a man who at 16 was out surveying land for his country which was then Great Britain. All he wanted to do was go to Mount Vernon and be a farmer. His countries, Great Britain and then the United States of America, had him serving for year after year after year after year. After he won the Revolutionary War, he went back to be that farmer in Mount Vernon. Then things started to fall apart, and they came knocking at his door and said, George, we need you because the whole thing is falling apart. I'm paraphrasing but I think it was pretty close to, have I not yet done enough for my country? No.

BECK: I think what I like about George Washington is most the choices he made he didn't want to make. Most of the things he didn't want to do. He was revered for it. He was revered. And I think it's because they knew that in the end he didn't matter to him. It was just doing the right thing. That's what mattered.


BECK: I've made George Washington faith, hope and charity. I made Washington hope because I was trying to figure out why that Obama hope doesn't work and because it's false hope. It's not telling you the truth.

And I mean, it's ironic to me that we make up a lie about I shall not tell a lie on George Washington when there's so many great true stories of him.

Would you say that he's the best example of hope?


BECK: Yes.

ALLISON: You hit the nail right on the head, Glenn. There is no figure in the history of this nation that represents hope as well as George Washington. And just -- let me give you a couple of reasons why I believe that. One we've already been talking about. And it is astonishing to me that we have writers today who say that not only that the founders were Deists, but in some cases, Atheists.

Now George Washington was the most vocal, but virtually all of them said that the reason that this country was created was because of the intervention of God. And nobody said it more often or more effectively than George Washington. But the other thing is this. And if that -- by the way, when you consider who these men were and what they accomplished, you know, these were the most brilliant and the most insightful, political philosophers and statesmen --

BECK: In the world.

ALLISON: In one place at one time in the history of the world. And here they're all saying it was God who used us to do this. And you have to ask yourself, were they all wrong?

BECK: Was he ever afraid?

ALLISON: Washington -- there is no evidence in the record that he feared death. There's no evidence that he feared being injured in battle.

What he was afraid of was that he was not up to the task, that he didn't have what America needed to provide the leadership that they were calling on him.

BECK: He didn't at first, did he? When -- I mean, the most surprising thing that I learned about George Washington -- we think of him as a great general. He stunk on ice at the beginning for like a year or so. I mean, he -- we lost -- we lost everything. They were chasing him all around.

ALLISON: He grew into it.


BECK: Do you that somebody like George Washington could be in office today? Neither of you?

ALLISON: Well, you know, you said before we started that people are beginning to wake up. I think that Americans are looking for somebody like George Washington. Here is a man who was unanimously elected as the commander in chief of the new American army, unanimously elected as the presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention, unanimously elected by the electoral college twice as the president of the United States didn't want to do any of it.

What kind of person is that? But there was something in him -- the subtitle on the biography is the man who united America. When we started, we were not united and it's true, Samuel Adams earned the title "The Father of the American Revolution." Jefferson even called him the "patriarch of liberty." But there was only one man who could have been called "The Father of our Country" and that's George Washington.

BECK: Is there any president that -- in your studies -- is there any president that has even come close to the role he played? Right guy, right time. And it --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can't point to one.


BECK: So we've covered faith and we've covered hope. Next, charity and why Ben Franklin's face. And still to come, life after "Founders'



DENNIS, LONG ISLAND: Hi, I'm Dennis from Long Island. "Founders' Fridays" inspired me to go back and start reading a lot of the books that they highlighted on the show.

DUSTIN, WATERLOO, IOWA: My name is Dustin. I'm from Waterloo, Iowa and, Glenn, I'd like to thank you for doing your "Founding Fathers'





UNIDENTIFIED MALES and FEMALES: We love "Founders' Fridays," Glenn.

Thanks for helping us learn about our country.


BECK: Benjamin Franklin was our first foreign ambassador. He was our first spy. He was a scientist that changed the world. He was a geographer, a postmaster and, to me, he is charity.


BECK: Well, you think about Benjamin Franklin, the kite and he's on the money. But there's a lot missing in what's taught about our founders like Franklin.

Did you know that Ben Franklin -- who hated the poor so much -- he created the nation's first hospital. Pennsylvania Assembly didn't want to do it. The idea was about to die and Franklin said, OK, wait a minute. We got to have a hospital.

He issued a challenge. He said, how about if I raise half the money? If I can raise 2,000 pounds from private citizens -- this was an impossible feat at the time -- you have to raise the other and you match the funds. The assembly think they just hit the lottery because this guy's never going to be able to do it. Nobody is going to say, oh, yes, let me give money to build a hospital. You know, because people are hatemongers.

They took him up on that and he did it. That hospital is still operating today. Franklin proved that a private citizen could indeed effect change. Besides the hospital he also started the first library, the lending library. That was his idea.

After a massive fire ravaged the city of Philadelphia in 1730, he helped establish the first volunteer fire company in America.

When the government refused to act against the threat from the French and Indian wars, he printed "The Plain Truth" and went door to door organizing the first militia in America. In short order, he had 10,000 members in his militia. He's a hatemonger.

BECK: Live free or die?

JIM SRODES, "FRANKLIN: THE ESSENTIAL FOUNDING FATHER": Live free or die. Well, join or die.

BECK: Or join or die.

SRODES: This is probably where you start with Franklin. It's one of two major Franklin contributions to who we are. The year 1754 the French are stepping up their operations to drive us into the sea. Indian raids on the frontier. French troops coming up the Ohio, coming across the Great Lakes. And the militia system just isn't working. And Franklin, who is now publishing the most important newspaper, the author of the "Poor Richard's Almanacs," the postmaster for the colonies, starts circulating the idea of an American militia. All the colonies chipping in according to their population an army of its own, of our own which would work with the British, work under British command, and undertake aggressive operations to push the French back down the Ohio.

He created essays in his newspapers. He mailed hundreds of letters all over the colonies. He started debates. He started arguments. And then in June there was going to be a meeting in Albany, New York to re- bride the Indian allies of our side and make sure that fix was in. And then to have a conference of all the military leaders of the colonies.

And the month before, Franklin, scholars believe, did the drawing and did the engraving of the printing block and it appeared in his "Pennsylvania Gazette." And you can't see it from here, but -- oh, you can see it there -- every piece of the serpent is listed as one of the colonies. And it's based on a French myth but that every American child knew, if you're going to chop a snake up, you have to bury the parts separately because snakes can get back together and live. It's a myth but this picture immediately -- even people who couldn't read -- knew what the message was.


BECK: Next, he was the most widely recognized figure in colonial America. So why is he barely recognized in the history books today?

MARY NELL, COCO BEACH, FLORIDA: I'm Mary Nell from Coco Beach, Florida. I've studied civics and government all my life. I've been interested in it since I was 10. I never knew this information. It was shocking to me and so comforting to know that I finally know the truth.


BECK: Now to a founding father completely erased from our history books. There probably wouldn't even be a revolution if it wasn't for this one man. His name, George Whitfield.


THOMAS KIDD, BAYLOR UNIVERSITY: One of the things you have to start with Whitfield is that he was the best known person in colonial America, period.

BECK: How is that possible? That's like, all of a sudden -- I was going to say -- actually I could see this happening. That's like in 200 years people saying, Michael Jackson, who, what? I mean, he was that big of a rock star, right?

KIDD: Yes, he was. That is the equivalent of someone saying that, you know, they never heard of Billy Graham or something like that for us not to know about Whitfield. He was the primary instigator of the Great Awakening of the 18th Century. He spoke to and was seen by far the most people in colonial America.

BECK: I just want to set the scene a little bit. When he's young, he's over in England and he's famous over in England first. He converts, he becomes a Methodist. But then he has kind of a really strange relations

-- or strained relationship with most of the preachers. That comes from the preachers really being -- you know, Church of England, it was like, you know, it was having Barack Obama give you a sermon all the time, I would imagine, where it's the governments -- you know, it's the government's spin through the eyes of God. And they really didn't care about the poor because the poor didn't vote, right?

And he was the first guy that says, wait a minute, there are people out there cold and hungry. And that caused some real strain in England.

Tell me about when he comes over here to America, what is his message that begins to light the fire for the American Revolution?

KIDD: As the 1760s went on, he did become very overtly involved with the crisis between Britain and the Colonies. In fact, he may have been one of the earliest people from Britain to start warning the colonists that there was trouble coming. There's reports that in 1764 he came to America and said, "There's trouble coming from Britain and your golden days are at an end" is the quote of what he said and began warning people ahead of time that this was coming.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He called it there is a deep-laid plot against your civil and religious liberties.

BECK: Hang on, hang on. There is a -- what was it again?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: a deep-laid plot --

BECK: There is a deep-laid plot --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- against both your civil and religious liberties. Your golden days are at an end. My heart bleeds for you, America.

KIDD: That's right. And so when he goes back to England, he's there with Franklin again -- his good friend Franklin -- when Franklin testifies before Parliament on the Colonies' behalf because of their protests against the Stamp Act, and Whitfield, I think, behind the scenes is advocating against the Stamp Act. And by the time you get to Whitfield's passing in 1770 and on his last trip to America -- he dies in Massachusetts -- the funeral sermons by the Colonial pastors are saying, he is largely to thank for the repeal of the Stamp Act. And they say he was a true patriot, not just in words but also in actions.


BECK: The "Founders' Friday" series may have come to an end, but now it's your turn to help keep history alive. We'll tell you how, next.



BARTON: Now that "Founders' Fridays" is over, there's still a lot of ways to get good history. When you pick up a biography about George Washington or George Whitfield or Benjamin Rush or John Jay or any founding father, always go to the back and see what the bibliography looks like. And if it cites a bunch of modern books, don't buy it. Get a book that cites the old books, the books that have their writings in it. Our Web site at wallbuilders.com, we actually have a list of recommended reading items on Founding Fathers so people can go buy them at the store or they can go online and read these books.

One of the really fun things to do to help history come alive is not only read biographies, but go see it as its lived out. So you go to Williamsburg, Virginia. There in Williamsburg, you get to see what colonial life was life. What it was for Patrick Henry and Jefferson and Washington. Or you jump over to, for example, Jamestown. And in Jamestown, you see what the early landing was like in the early 1600s.

Or you got up to Plymouth Plantations. See what it would have been like to live as a pilgrim in Massachusetts. So there's no reason for "Founders' Fridays" to stop in a personal manner. We just keep feeding ourselves our history and our information that by and large we didn't get while we were in school.


BECK: Like you just heard, my good friend, David Barton, say, seek out the original documents of our founders. Read their own words. Read them to your children. Walk in their footsteps. Thank you to David Barton of WallBuilders and thank you, our viewers, for embracing "Founders' Fridays." We ask that you would respect Memorial Day weekend. Have a good one, enjoy it with your family, but remember what it's all about; the men and women in our armed forces. Godspeed.

From New York, good night, America.

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