Glenn Beck Sits Down with Rick Santorum
Glenn Beck Sits Down with Rick SantorumGLENN BECK, HOST: Right now, America needs people who are willing to stand up and lead no matter what the blowback may be. We have only five shows after this. And I am picking carefully what I do on these five shows. I want to introduce you to a man tonight that I think will make a difference. He already has made a difference. You may not know much about him, you may not like his style. You may not like his policies. In the end, I hope you at least walk away with a feeling that I have about him. He is an honest man. I don't pick or choose or back any presidential nominees. However, I do think that some of them need to be exposed. Herman Cain, we exposed a couple of weeks ago. I thought he was worth your time to listen to. I think this man is as well. Not many politicians have spine. This man does. He's proved as much to me a few years ago facing a tough election. He was head of the curve on the threat of radical Islam. We have talked about it between us for years -- radical Islam growing in Iran, the Middle East and the increasing pressure being put on Israel. He knew it wasn't popular in the polls when he was running. The last thing he wanted to talk about was the Middle East. He told me at the time when I said, you know, you should back off of this, because this isn't helping your re-election -- he said he wouldn't be able to face his children if he didn't speak out, even if it meant he lost. He did. But he can sleep at night. Joining me now is former senator and GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum. Rick, how are you? RICK SANTORUM, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's great, Glenn. Thank you. BECK: Good to see you. You bet. SANTORUM: Appreciate the kind words. BECK: The -- it's not kind words. It's the truth. You have been on Israel and Iran for a very long time. SANTORUM: I have. BECK: Will you agree with me that Israel is the key to the Middle East? If you pull it out, it -- the West collapses. SANTORUM: Yes. I mean, it's our anchor in the Middle East. It's strategic ally for us. It's also -- it's also essential for the Jewish people. I mean, we can't -- we can't ignore the history of the Jewish people and understand the significance to the world of having a Jewish homeland. So, it is a strategic ally for us. It is -- as you mentioned, the stopper in the Middle East. But it's also a very important humanitarian place. BECK: I am -- I'm going over to Poland in a couple of weeks, on something that's a venture that I'm doing. And I'm not doing a special on Auschwitz, I'm visiting Auschwitz, but I am talking about the town, which is just a few miles outside of the gate. And I have been doing my research and trying to figure out how did this happen? Poland, I didn't know this when I first started doing my research, Poland rose up, a lot of Poles rose up to try to help the Jews, but they had nothing left. They had no arms. They had -- the Jews couldn't defend themselves. They had no state. They had nothing. We're at least at this point we have a Jewish state that can defend itself. But the world says they shouldn't. SANTORUM: Well, I mean, the whole key to all of this is that the people that are opposing the Israeli state and the Middle East have never recognized the existence of the state of Israel. You cannot, you cannot pull away from Israel. You have to stand by Israel until the people who seek to do them harm come to terms with the fact that Israel will exist and that the United States -- hopefully, the world -- will stand behind them and their right to exist. As long as the Palestinian Authority, as long as the others in the Middle East refuse to accept Israel's right to be there, then there can be no peace. And we should not force Israel to any negotiation until that condition is met. BECK: Do you think America has enough courage to turn the tide on Israel? SANTORUM: If we had a strong leader who had the respect of the world -- yes, the answer is, because we have done it in the past. Leaders throughout the course of the time of state of Israel has been in place have stood strongly with them. And as a result, Israel has had a modicum of stability and success. We see now is a president backing way, who is -- as you talked about here very much -- an internationalist, someone who sees his role as almost transcending the presidency. BECK: Yes. SANTORUM: And sees his role as to work with the international community to their ends. Not to the ends of the national security interest of our country. Not to the ends of supporting allies who are strategic for us. But to ends of some greater goal than the goals here in the United States. BECK: OK. When we come back, I want to -- I want to talk about, I don't know if, America, you've seen this yet. This is "Time" magazine -- Constitution, does it still matter? Their conclusion -- not so much. And "Rolling Stone" and what they said about Michele Obama, the role of God in your life, creation of jobs in America, what we're doing with the fed. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) BECK: In the break, Senator Rick Santorum, 2012 Republican presidential contender, we were talking about courage and whether people have the courage and looking to people of history to find it. Because it really, that's all it takes is to save our country, somebody having the courage of their conviction. SANTORUM: Yes. You just look at people throughout history. I was remarking about one such man that I am familiar with, Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, who fought at the battle of Gettysburg and led the 20th Maine, who was at the end of the Union line, and in the second day battle, ran, fought the advance, flank the Union line. It would have cut off the Union Army from Washington, maybe defeated the Union Army at that moment and fired until he had no ammunition, and then ordered a bayonet charge down the hill, sacrificing everything and captured the Confederate in a brilliant move and won the day. And 25 years later, he came and gave a speech right at that ground. And he talked about how -- and he asked his men to sort of close their eyes and think about here we are on the death field and that people will come, people that we don't know but they'll come to see what we did here. And that's the purpose of life, is to live forever in the minds of people, to have sacrifice and served so people who we know not of will come here to remember what we did and be inspired by that. BECK: You are -- there's a lot of this audience, I'd say the vast, vast majority of this audience will say, wow! By you saying that in today's world, you are going to be mocked relentlessly for saying that there is something, that someone will come -- they'll mock you for that. SANTORUM: But that's -- you know, Ronald Reagan, when he left office, he gave his farewell address. And the last thing he said as president of the United States in his farewell address was this concern about Americans not appreciating what America is, not understanding who we are, not being proud of what America is. You know this, Glenn, I know you've talked about this. That the worst subject in our school system is not math and science -- they complain about math and science. It's not math and science. BECK: Yes. SANTORUM: It's history. Americans and young people aren't being taught history. I was in Council Bluffs, Iowa, a couple of days ago, and I talked about that. And a college professor happened to be there, who teaches at Washburn University. BECK: Was he wearing a Che shirt? SANTORUM: No, he's conservative, believe me. BECK: Really? He is the one. SANTORUM: Yes, the one. Now, here's the interesting thing. He said, you know, he said, you're right. He said, in my history class, introductory history class at the school, I pass out a citizenship test to every student who comes into my class and I have them take it. He said, you know what the percentage of right answers is? Forty percent, 15 percent pass rate, 5 percent of kids -- BECK: How does America survive like that? SANTORUM: You can't survive. You can't -- and we have leaders, we have leaders who don't focus on -- BECK: Well, we have leaders -- quite honestly, Rick, we have leaders that don't even admit it. They don't even see it. I can't tell you how many people I talk to in Washington all the time and they're like, OK. I started talking about this. What part of this do you think is nuts? SANTORUM: Nothing. BECK: OK. All right. SANTORUM: It's true. I mean -- BECK: They talk about this. And I start talking to them about people that are teaching in schools or I talk them about the revolutionaries that are organizing in our own country. And their eyes just glaze and they're gone. They're gone. SANTORUM: It's -- look, there is an organized effort to try to change what America is. I mean, look, I always say, when you go back and read Barack Obama's speeches during the last campaign, everybody focused on the hope and change. They didn't focus on first three-quarters of the speech, which was condemnation -- not of George Bush but what America is. And he wanted to change America. BECK: Fundamentally transform. SANTORUM: Fundamental change in America. And guess what? He is doing it. And we have, I think, thank God, people like you and others, the Tea Party who have recognized how foundationally he wants to change this country. It's not surprising to see "Time" magazine talk about the Constitution and say how significant. I'm surprise they didn't throw the Declaration in for good measure. BECK: They dismiss it. Can I tell you something? It's not a surprise that "Time" is running, seeing that Barack Obama and George Soros' good buddy, Fareed Zakaria, this last weekend, did a piece on how outdated the Constitution is, and we should be more like Iceland which is just -- ready -- rewriting a new Constitution through Facebook. Why not? SANTORUM: You're making that up. BECK: I swear to you. I swear to you. SANTORUM: Oh, my goodness. BECK: So, now, it's a coordinated effort. And here we have -- here we have in or it appears to be happenstance, here we have in this article. Let me actually have it highlighted here. We have in this article a few things that I have to read to you, one of the last -- one of the last paragraphs in it. We can pat ourselves on the back of the last 223 years, but we cannot let the Constitution become an obstacle to the U.S.'s moving in to the future. SANTORUM: It sounds like the Supreme Court. I mean, it really does. It sounds like what we've been seeing from our courts which see the Constitution as this outdated document and we have to have this living, breathing Constitution. We have to have something that we can pull from the international law or something we can pull from our hearts, that we know to be true. BECK: What is the meaning of the Constitution? SANTORUM: I always say the Constitution is the owner's manual of America. That is the -- it sets up a government whose sole purpose, in my opinion, is to protect life and liberty. That's the purpose of the Constitution. It's to make sure that you and everyone like -- here in America -- BECK: I don't know why you would say that our liberty is at stake or our lives at stake. I don't know if you saw the TSA -- in completely unrelated news -- TSA today, by the way, has selected the airport screeners, they're being organized by the AFL-CIO. That's going to be good, isn't it? SANTORUM: Yes. BECK: When we come back, I want -- I want to ask you just a little bit more about this. SANTORUM: Sure. BECK: This is what they say -- the framers didn't see these things coming. So how would you address that? Back in just a second. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) BECK: We are with Rick Santorum. He's a 2012 Republican presidential contender. And I want to get back to the Constitution because "Time" magazine asks, is it even relevant anymore? To Congress, no, no, it's not. To Washington, no, no. To America, yes. I want to talk to you about -- get back to the Constitution -- but I want to just do a couple of things here -- kind of short answers here. SANTORUM: You did this -- you did this to me about seven -- six years ago -- I just want you to know -- on your radio show. I came on your radio show and you said, now I'm going to ask you 30 questions and I want yes or no answers. I said, I can't expand? You say, no, I want yes or no answers. You mealy-mouthed politicians, you were just laying the lumber to me. BECK: That's right. SANTORUM: And you went through it. One question -- I gave a slight caveat, but I gave answers to all 30 and then you finished. I finished the answer and there was this dramatic -- like -- it seemed like a minute pause and then you finally said, I want to kiss you in the mouth. That's what you said. (LAUGHTER) BECK: I think I may have said on the mouth, not in the mouth. SANTORUM: No, I think you said in. I was -- I felt invaded. I just want you to know that. So I just had to remind you of that. BECK: Well, I mean, I am excited by politicians who will actually say what they're thinking and answer yes or no question. Cantor and Kyl walked today from the Biden budget talks. Serious talks or not? SANTORUM: Well, if Joe Biden -- BECK: (INAUDIBLE) answer no. SANTORUM: If Joe Biden's leading them, they're not serious talks. BECK: OK. The -- can we -- should we raise the debt ceiling or not? SANTORUM: Under certain -- under circumstances where we get things like dramatically reducing the deficit and getting -- I like the dollar for dollar. That makes a lot of sense to me. And as long as it's over a relatively short window. It's not, you know, a dollar debt ceiling raised over 20 years of budget savings but a short window. I think that makes some sense. BECK: I talked to Jim DeMint today and the -- what is this -- it's the cut cap balance and pledge? SANTORUM: Yes. I like that. BECK: Is that right? SANTORUM: Yes. BECK: You know it? SANTORUM: I like it, signed it. BECK: You signed it? SANTORUM: Yes. How about that? BECK: I could kiss you in the mouth. (LAUGHTER) SANTORUM: See? You said it. BECK: I was just kidding. I don't want to kiss you in the mouth. SANTORUM: Thank you. (LAUGHTER) SANTORUM: My wife will feel very good about that -- BECK: Afghanistan, last night. SANTORUM: We have a president who had the obligation, in my opinion, to stand up before the American people and say, why are we doing this? What is our objective? How are we going to succeed in this? This is important to our country, why is it important? What do we want to accomplish? And all he talked about is the politics of bringing people home. BECK: Do you believe that he sees any reason for being over there? SANTORUM: I think the only reason he believes that he has to be there is because he made a commitment during the -- during the campaign that this was the serious war so now he has to sort of follow through. BECK: He went after the -- he went against what the general said to do -- highly unusual. SANTORUM: Well, highly unusual for him because he has basically gone along. If you look at whether it's Gitmo or Iraq or Osama bin Laden, he basically followed what the -- and the original surge in Afghanistan -- he went along with his generals. But now, it's the second half of his presidential term and -- his first term -- and now we're focused on politics. This is a president -- I've -- you know, look, I haven't been around that long. I don't know of a president who has started campaigning as early as he has started campaigning, and from the Ryan budget on, it's all purely political ever since the last election and we're seeing the consequences. BECK: What are we doing in Libya? SANTORUM: Well, I don't know. That's a great question. That's another opportunity for the president to step forward to tell the American people -- I know there's a lot of debate about whether he should go to Congress and what Congress should do. The bottom line is he has an obligation to go to the American people and say, why are we doing this? What is our -- what are we trying to accomplish? What is our mission? What are the definable goals? And he hasn't done any of that. BECK: OK. You're President Santorum tomorrow. OK, this is my dream world. You're President Santorum tomorrow. SANTORUM: And so I have to live with all the mistakes -- BECK: You have to live with everything. Do you stop what we're doing in Libya right now? SANTORUM: Well, it's a hard thing for me to say, but I would say it would be difficult right now to stop given the relationships we have with NATO, given the commitments we've made to NATO. So the president has put us behind the eight ball in my opinion. He's made us -- he's put us in a situation that if we pulled out, we could very well threaten and destabilize NATO which is already threatened to destabilize by the way. So I mean, it's a complex -- BECK: I only want to kiss you on the hand on that one. SANTORUM: OK. BECK: We're out -- we're out of Libya. SANTORUM: Well, I think he's put us a difficult situation. What -- I would say I don't think we have an interest there. I think we should get out there. But I don't think we can immediately pull the plug -- BECK: Do you notice that all of our troops are surrounded now? Have you noticed that our troops are surrounded in Iraq? There are no friends around there and it's getting worse and worse and worse. In Afghanistan, worse and worse and worse. Does that concern you at all? SANTORUM: It concerns me that we have not made the case to the American public why we need to win this war. It concerns me that we are not making the case as to why we need to win Afghanistan, what we need to do to finish Iraq. Does it concern me that we have relationships now in the Middle East that because of the Arab Spring that have made our troops more isolated? Yes, it does. BECK: Would you agree or disagree that America has caused a lot of our own problems? We're not responsible for, you know, all the problems of the world. But we have caused a lot of problems ourselves by getting into bed -- by believing the enemy of my enemy is my friend. SANTORUM: Well, I mean, if you're talking about, for example, the Egyptians and why we buddy with the Egyptians. BECK: Yes. SANTORUM: We buddy with the Egyptians because we were trying to provide a stability for our friend, Israel, and that we broke a deal -- BECK: I understand that. SANTORUM: Right. BECK: But did we not -- we didn't stand for anything because we're in bed with brutal, ugly people. SANTORUM: Yes, I gave a speech about a month and a half ago at the National Press Club and said that our foreign policy should be directed toward advancing the principles that America is founded upon which is freedom. And so, whatever relationship we have, whether it's with China or whether it's with Egypt or whatever, we should be advancing the principles of our country. Does that mean that we have to have relationships with people who aren't the best guys in the world? Sometimes. But we also need to be advancing our principles and holding our friends' feet to the fire. BECK: Back in just a second. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) BECK: Back with Rick Santorum. Before we run out of time, here we go. Rick, try to give me one sentence answers. SANTORUM: Yes, yes, yes. OK. BECK: One sentence answers. SANTORUM: OK. BECK: All right. You're president of the United States -- SANTORUM: Yes. BECK: Healthcare. SANTORUM: Repeal Obamacare. BECK: What happens to Greece? SANTORUM: That's the problem of the European unions, not -- that's not our problem. BECK: Is Europe going to -- is Europe going to implode if Greece implodes. One sentence. SANTORUM: I think the Europeans will take of their problem. They'll clean up their mess. BECK: OK. The left -- orchestrating worldwide and joining with Islamists and -- one sentence. SANTORUM: I spent the last four years talking about the radical socialists, (INAUDIBLE) socialists in Central and South America working with the radical Islamists. BECK: This is a run-on sentence. SANTORUM: That's a run-on clause. I put a comma in there, maybe a semi-colon. So the answer is, they do work together. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. BECK: Oil? SANTORUM: Drill everywhere. BECK: Coal? SANTORUM: Absolutely. Natural gas, in a week. We have huge stores. Two hundred and sixty-three years of oil at current rate. Almost two hundred years of gas. BECK: What about -- SANTORUM: And almost 300 years of coal. BECK: What about global warming? SANTORUM: There is no such thing as global warming. It is, in my opinion, you have hundreds of factors that cause the earth to warm and cool and a trace gas of which human participation in this trace gas is -- BECK: Seal the deal for me. Does it seal the deal for -- whatever, whatever. I got enough. SANTORUM: My clause ran out. BECK: Try this. Try this. The Fed. Be careful. You had me at hello. SANTORUM: Thank you. BECK: The Fed. SANTORUM: Well, we have to have -- the Federal Reserve has to be focused on one thing that is inflation, period, and keeping our money sound. BECK: You lost me. You lost me. Here's the answer. The Fed -- the Fed should have one goal. That's boxing up their crap and getting out. OK. SANTORUM: OK. Well, I was close to that. BECK: You were close. SANTORUM: I was close to that. BECK: Bailouts? SANTORUM: Against. I was against TARP, GM, everything. BECK: What would you do with GM? SANTORUM: GM should have gone -- I said at the time structured bankruptcy. BECK: What would you do now? SANTORUM: Well, I mean, get our money back and have them go out there and do it on their own. BECK: Have you driven the Volt? SANTORUM: I have not. BECK: Well, you don't know. You haven't driven a Volt lately. Well, you haven't driven a Volt. Can government create jobs? SANTORUM: No. In fact, for every -- there's a report out just recently that for every government job created, we lose two jobs in the private sector. BECK: It's almost like Spain. SANTORUM: Almost. BECK: Almost like Spain. SANTORUM: Like green jobs. BECK: It's weird, isn't it? SANTORUM: Yes. BECK: It's weird. OK. Back in just a second with a quick discussion about an amazing -- an amazing story in "Rolling Stone" taking down Michele Bachmann on God. You are one of those crazy religious zealots. We'll get to that next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) BECK: All right. We're back with presidential candidate Rick Santorum. There is an amazing article in "Rolling Stone" about Michele Bachmann's holy war where they call her crazy. I mean, it's -- it's horrible -- it is horrible what they say, the smears that they say. And it's not just on her, it's on anybody that believes in God. She says that -- or in here, they say, she thinks that God actually talks to her. SANTORUM: A lot of people think God talk -- that's why we pray -- because we pray because we talk to God and that God communicates with us. Does that mean that we hear voices? Some people do. I don't but some people do and I believe that some people do because I believe God exists and if God wants to talk to us, he certainly can talk to us. And the idea that we condemn people for their faith -- you know, talk about the Constitution being dead, that the first freedom, the trunk of which all other branches of our freedoms come from is the freedom of religion, the freedom of belief. BECK: Nancy Pelosi said that our freedoms are constantly expanding through Congress. Our rights are constantly expanding. SANTORUM: Well, if you believe that rights come from the government then, of course, they can be expanding. BECK: Where do they come from? SANTORUM: Well, they come from God because our founding -- our founding document. We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights. BECK: They're editing that part. SANTORUM: No. Well, the creator part comes out. BECK: Try this. One document under siege. Here are a few things the framers did not know about. This is from "Time" magazine on the Constitution. They didn't know about World War II, DNA, sexting, airplanes, the atom, television, Medicare, mini-skirts, the internal combustion engine, computers or Lady Gag. SANTORUM: They knew about truth and the nature of man. BECK: What is the nature of man? SANTORUM: The nature of man is fallen and that we cannot perfect man. But that we can trust man if given faith and freedom and the structure by with faith can continue to inform. John Adams said our Constitution is made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the governance of any others. And this idea that we have faith and freedom and that faith informs a world view that creates virtuous people who can with self-restraint allow for limited government. Because if we don't have self-restraint molded by faith, then you're going to have to have external restraints on people because people are fallen. BECK: Any truth that the American people can't handle? SANTORUM: I don't think so. Look, we've survived freer than any other civilization in the history of man because I believe that the secret sauce of our Constitution, of our founders works. But it does take persistence and vigilance. It takes knowledge. It takes understanding of what makes us great. And it needs people to remind us what it is and right now we're going through a crisis. That's one of the ways we're being attacked. BECK: Are we -- are we at a tipping point? SANTORUM: I don't think there's -- look, I wouldn't be out here running for president of the United States if I didn't feel that this was the most important election, I believe, since 1860. In 1860 we were going to decide whether these United States would become the United States. In this election, we're going to decide whether a -- that Declaration of Independence where hold these truths to be self-evidence, that all men are created equal and endowed by our creator with rights, that those rights are still going to be rights that come to us from God and that the government's role is to protect them. Or whether the government is now going to say, no, we're the ones who are going to dispose rights. We're the ones who are going to be the sovereign. Remember, we left -- I hear the music. BECK: Got to go. SANTORUM: Got to go. OK. BECK: Rick Santorum. Whether you vote for him or not, I thought you should meet him. Content and Programming Copyright 2011 Fox News Network, LLC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Copyright 2011 CQ-Roll Call, Inc. All materials herein are protected by United States copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, displayed, published or broadcast without the prior written permission of CQ-Roll Call. 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